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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had my first Manny&#039;s last week and it was fantastic. Seattle Beers are under-rated. I just wish I could get it at a store.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pacificnorthwestcoastbias.com/great-local-beer-mannys/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Seattle Beer &lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had my first Manny&#8217;s last week and it was fantastic. Seattle Beers are under-rated. I just wish I could get it at a store.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pacificnorthwestcoastbias.com/great-local-beer-mannys/" rel="nofollow"> Seattle Beer </a></p>
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		<title>By: washingtonbeerblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>washingtonbeerblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j.w.
Thanks for the thoughtful and informative reply. I mentioned in my original post that the whole packaging and distribution thing is a whole &#039;nother issue.  I have actually considered doing an entire post about the challenges and rewards of bottling (or canning) because I think too many people simply say, &quot;Put it in six packs and you&#039;ll sell more beer.&quot;

I think that what all of us craft beer lovers -brewers included- would love to see is more pubs like the Beveridge Place, the Parkway, the Eastside Club, Collins Pub, the Latona, the Dog &amp; Pony, and the many others I&#039;m not mentioning - pubs operated by publicans who really support craft beer.  We need more craft handles - more room for our locals to get on tap without pushing another local out of the way. A friend once told me, &quot;I don&#039;t want to replace every Manny&#039;s handle, I want to be right next to every Manny&#039;s handle.&quot; Cheers to that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j.w.<br />
Thanks for the thoughtful and informative reply. I mentioned in my original post that the whole packaging and distribution thing is a whole &#8216;nother issue.  I have actually considered doing an entire post about the challenges and rewards of bottling (or canning) because I think too many people simply say, &#8220;Put it in six packs and you&#8217;ll sell more beer.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that what all of us craft beer lovers -brewers included- would love to see is more pubs like the Beveridge Place, the Parkway, the Eastside Club, Collins Pub, the Latona, the Dog &#038; Pony, and the many others I&#8217;m not mentioning &#8211; pubs operated by publicans who really support craft beer.  We need more craft handles &#8211; more room for our locals to get on tap without pushing another local out of the way. A friend once told me, &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to replace every Manny&#8217;s handle, I want to be right next to every Manny&#8217;s handle.&#8221; Cheers to that!</p>
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		<title>By: j.w.</title>
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		<dc:creator>j.w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 21:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a WA brewer (who does not bottle) its awesome to hear so much support and concern over the slow numbers of WA beer consumption here. You&#039;re right, of course, more bottled beer means more shelf space, which means more sales, but it&#039;s a bit more complicated than just jamming it into a bottle. The capital investment required to bottle with any quality control is considerable. Shelf product requires a whole new marketing strategy, different promotions, sales staff, etc. 

Two of the biggest WA brewers (by volume) don&#039;t filter their flagships which makes for a tough product to bottle, and they need to be served fresh. Managing a product in many stores is considerably more difficult than in bars. 

Brewery owners are in tough positions because pushing their beer on draft may mean another WA brewer is bumped off. And if not a WA brewer, presumably another craft brewer. There is a double edged sword to growth. 

I guess I&#039;m just defending the brewers a little bit, we&#039;re not timid about being available to the consumer, we&#039;re just trying to maintain responsible growth levels. In the end I think we both (beer lovers and beer makers) are looking for the same thing. If we could give you all a tasty WA beer every time you wanted one we&#039;d all be happy right. But please keep pushing for it everywhere you go. It makes all the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a WA brewer (who does not bottle) its awesome to hear so much support and concern over the slow numbers of WA beer consumption here. You&#8217;re right, of course, more bottled beer means more shelf space, which means more sales, but it&#8217;s a bit more complicated than just jamming it into a bottle. The capital investment required to bottle with any quality control is considerable. Shelf product requires a whole new marketing strategy, different promotions, sales staff, etc. </p>
<p>Two of the biggest WA brewers (by volume) don&#8217;t filter their flagships which makes for a tough product to bottle, and they need to be served fresh. Managing a product in many stores is considerably more difficult than in bars. </p>
<p>Brewery owners are in tough positions because pushing their beer on draft may mean another WA brewer is bumped off. And if not a WA brewer, presumably another craft brewer. There is a double edged sword to growth. </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m just defending the brewers a little bit, we&#8217;re not timid about being available to the consumer, we&#8217;re just trying to maintain responsible growth levels. In the end I think we both (beer lovers and beer makers) are looking for the same thing. If we could give you all a tasty WA beer every time you wanted one we&#8217;d all be happy right. But please keep pushing for it everywhere you go. It makes all the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: a.g.</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.g.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doh!  You&#039;re right.  Sheesh.</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason hits the nail on the head, the brewers big and small bottle their beer and get it to grocery stores where Oregonians can drink it at home.  Washington is largely unrepresented in the grocery store.  My brother in Klamath Falls can get bottles of Roots, a small Portland brewery.  A similar dynamic does not exist in Washington.  When I go to Seattle to visit my in-laws I drink Oregon beer: 1. because I love it and 2. because it is readily available.

a.g. - I realize that Redhook and Widmer are under the same corporate ownership, but please don&#039;t try to claim them as a Washington brewery, all their production takes place in Portland and is one of the oldest craft breweries in the state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason hits the nail on the head, the brewers big and small bottle their beer and get it to grocery stores where Oregonians can drink it at home.  Washington is largely unrepresented in the grocery store.  My brother in Klamath Falls can get bottles of Roots, a small Portland brewery.  A similar dynamic does not exist in Washington.  When I go to Seattle to visit my in-laws I drink Oregon beer: 1. because I love it and 2. because it is readily available.</p>
<p>a.g. &#8211; I realize that Redhook and Widmer are under the same corporate ownership, but please don&#8217;t try to claim them as a Washington brewery, all their production takes place in Portland and is one of the oldest craft breweries in the state.</p>
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		<title>By: a.g.</title>
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		<dc:creator>a.g.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Jason says...

When I go out, I nearly always choose Washington beer.  There are such delicious selections on tap nearly everywhere.  It&#039;s a nice treat at $4.00 a pint.

The grocery store on the way home from work is another story.  Then, it is Full Sail, from Oregon, nearly always on sale, and a tad nicer than the Widmer, from Washington, at the same price.  Curiously, it is only a tad more expensive than the Rainier.  

Why is that???

And how much would it cost for a six-pack of Manny&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Jason says&#8230;</p>
<p>When I go out, I nearly always choose Washington beer.  There are such delicious selections on tap nearly everywhere.  It&#8217;s a nice treat at $4.00 a pint.</p>
<p>The grocery store on the way home from work is another story.  Then, it is Full Sail, from Oregon, nearly always on sale, and a tad nicer than the Widmer, from Washington, at the same price.  Curiously, it is only a tad more expensive than the Rainier.  </p>
<p>Why is that???</p>
<p>And how much would it cost for a six-pack of Manny&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I drink locally for the same reasons that I eat at Eagan&#039;s in Tumwater as opposed to the Burger King down the street. For me there is value in eating at a place, or supporting a brewery that is a part of the community, and contributes to the community. Drinking a pint of Dick&#039;s Danger Ale (a brewery that does bottle beer, in fact they just got a new bottling machine to increase their bottle production) or stopping downtown for a Fish Organic IPA is about doing something that you can only do here, not in Anysuburb, USA. 

Usually I can get a Manny&#039;s Pale or a Mac and Jack&#039;s African Amber at most places that have a decent tap selection, but I would love if more Washington breweries could get into my local bars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I drink locally for the same reasons that I eat at Eagan&#8217;s in Tumwater as opposed to the Burger King down the street. For me there is value in eating at a place, or supporting a brewery that is a part of the community, and contributes to the community. Drinking a pint of Dick&#8217;s Danger Ale (a brewery that does bottle beer, in fact they just got a new bottling machine to increase their bottle production) or stopping downtown for a Fish Organic IPA is about doing something that you can only do here, not in Anysuburb, USA. </p>
<p>Usually I can get a Manny&#8217;s Pale or a Mac and Jack&#8217;s African Amber at most places that have a decent tap selection, but I would love if more Washington breweries could get into my local bars.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This jumped out at me:

How, you may ask, can that be? Instead of thinking of it as four states, think of it as four beers: Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, New Belgium Fat Tire, Deschutes Mirror Pond Pale Ale, and Alaskan Amber. 

How depressing if true. Sierra Nevada is ok in a pinch. Fat Tire is just bad, IMHO. Deschutes I can understand and Alaskan lacks &quot;oomph&quot; (technical term, that). Of those four none would be a first choice and I&#039;d consider not drinking if Fat Tire was the only option. 

Maybe this betrays my level of geekishness over WA beer but it shocks me that WA is fourth in consumption here. I just don&#039;t understand it. Are people really that uninformed about the great options from within our own state?

One possible explanation (and big frustration for me): The thing that hurts what I consider to be some of the better WA beers is that they don&#039;t bottle. Most of my favorites don&#039;t and I go out of my way to fill growlers with them when possible.  I believe I&#039;m an exception in this regard, most people are not going to go through so much effort to get beer, they&#039;ll take what&#039;s at the store. Even I am incredibly frustrated by this and I&#039;m pretty dedicated to getting what I want, imagine how many people would likely drink their beer but have long since given up jumping through the extra hoops to attain it.

When are WA breweries going to figure this out? Bottle it, get it in stores and you&#039;ll sell more. They don&#039;t need to be in every 7-Eleven in the state, just start by bottling enough to get into the specialty stores at least. 

An example of this is Georgetown Brewery, I love the Choppers Red and Super Chop but only found out they even exist when I stopped by the brewery a few months ago. As far as I know you can only get those beers at the brewery itself (whose hours are not very good) and maybe a pub or two nearby. You aren&#039;t going to sell much that way. Manny&#039;s is easy to find, but once again you have to make the trip to the brewery to get Manny&#039;s to drink at home and then only in growlers. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s no easy task to bottle and distribute but at the same time I think there&#039;s a market they aren&#039;t tapping into. 

Or maybe I&#039;m an extreme minority and my favs just wouldn&#039;t sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This jumped out at me:</p>
<p>How, you may ask, can that be? Instead of thinking of it as four states, think of it as four beers: Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, New Belgium Fat Tire, Deschutes Mirror Pond Pale Ale, and Alaskan Amber. </p>
<p>How depressing if true. Sierra Nevada is ok in a pinch. Fat Tire is just bad, IMHO. Deschutes I can understand and Alaskan lacks &#8220;oomph&#8221; (technical term, that). Of those four none would be a first choice and I&#8217;d consider not drinking if Fat Tire was the only option. </p>
<p>Maybe this betrays my level of geekishness over WA beer but it shocks me that WA is fourth in consumption here. I just don&#8217;t understand it. Are people really that uninformed about the great options from within our own state?</p>
<p>One possible explanation (and big frustration for me): The thing that hurts what I consider to be some of the better WA beers is that they don&#8217;t bottle. Most of my favorites don&#8217;t and I go out of my way to fill growlers with them when possible.  I believe I&#8217;m an exception in this regard, most people are not going to go through so much effort to get beer, they&#8217;ll take what&#8217;s at the store. Even I am incredibly frustrated by this and I&#8217;m pretty dedicated to getting what I want, imagine how many people would likely drink their beer but have long since given up jumping through the extra hoops to attain it.</p>
<p>When are WA breweries going to figure this out? Bottle it, get it in stores and you&#8217;ll sell more. They don&#8217;t need to be in every 7-Eleven in the state, just start by bottling enough to get into the specialty stores at least. </p>
<p>An example of this is Georgetown Brewery, I love the Choppers Red and Super Chop but only found out they even exist when I stopped by the brewery a few months ago. As far as I know you can only get those beers at the brewery itself (whose hours are not very good) and maybe a pub or two nearby. You aren&#8217;t going to sell much that way. Manny&#8217;s is easy to find, but once again you have to make the trip to the brewery to get Manny&#8217;s to drink at home and then only in growlers. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s no easy task to bottle and distribute but at the same time I think there&#8217;s a market they aren&#8217;t tapping into. </p>
<p>Or maybe I&#8217;m an extreme minority and my favs just wouldn&#8217;t sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweeney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trav - I suppose that all you can do is mention to your bartender or pub owner that you wish their bar offered a more local choice  since they are operating their local business in a place where there are local businesses making beer. 

Isnt it really all about distribution? Example - My local sports bar has 10 beers on tap and they say that 6 belong to Columbia and 4 belong to K&amp;L. They are the two big distributors in King County. They call it &quot;sponsorship.&quot; Sounds like payola to me. They tell me that very few local breweries are distributed by either of those companies, so they won&#039;t ever be on tap. 

Ha ha, yes. I suppose the whole eat local and drink local movement is a west coast thing. We try to avoid burning coal, also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trav &#8211; I suppose that all you can do is mention to your bartender or pub owner that you wish their bar offered a more local choice  since they are operating their local business in a place where there are local businesses making beer. </p>
<p>Isnt it really all about distribution? Example &#8211; My local sports bar has 10 beers on tap and they say that 6 belong to Columbia and 4 belong to K&amp;L. They are the two big distributors in King County. They call it &#8220;sponsorship.&#8221; Sounds like payola to me. They tell me that very few local breweries are distributed by either of those companies, so they won&#8217;t ever be on tap. </p>
<p>Ha ha, yes. I suppose the whole eat local and drink local movement is a west coast thing. We try to avoid burning coal, also.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 08:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drink local?  I think you&#039;re worrying it about too much. This whole eat local, drink local, etc thing is something I never encountered on the east coast. Maybe it has emerged in the last 5 years, or maybe it is specific to the west coast. Either way, I wouldn&#039;t worry so much about it. 
Those top four beers, like Alaskan Amber, got to where they are because they brewed an excellent beer and marketed and packaged it in the right way and probably had an element of luck and good timing too. They had local support also, but that&#039;s not how they became a nationally top selling beer. 
It&#039;s nice to have lots of local breweries, but I think a region can get to a saturation point where there are too many local breweries. If we had 500 local breweries would that be better than 100? What about 1000 or 2000?  
We should support good microbreweries no matter where they&#039;re located.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drink local?  I think you&#8217;re worrying it about too much. This whole eat local, drink local, etc thing is something I never encountered on the east coast. Maybe it has emerged in the last 5 years, or maybe it is specific to the west coast. Either way, I wouldn&#8217;t worry so much about it.<br />
Those top four beers, like Alaskan Amber, got to where they are because they brewed an excellent beer and marketed and packaged it in the right way and probably had an element of luck and good timing too. They had local support also, but that&#8217;s not how they became a nationally top selling beer.<br />
It&#8217;s nice to have lots of local breweries, but I think a region can get to a saturation point where there are too many local breweries. If we had 500 local breweries would that be better than 100? What about 1000 or 2000?<br />
We should support good microbreweries no matter where they&#8217;re located.</p>
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